Sept. 3, 2024

Unshackled: My Sister’s Story

Unshackled: My Sister’s Story

A look at my sister’s story and how it is now a 2 part radio drama

Here is the link: https://unshackled.org/program/hope-part-1/

Here is the link to Part 2: https://unshackled.org/program/hope-part-2/

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A look at my sister’s story and how it is now a 2 part radio drama

Here is the link: https://unshackled.org/program/hope-part-1/

Here is the link to Part 2: https://unshackled.org/program/hope-part-2/

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Looking at our world from a theological perspective.

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This is the Theology Central podcast making Theology Central.

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Good morning everyone. It is Tuesday, September third, twenty twenty four.

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It is currently ten oh four am Central Time, and

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I am coming to you live from the Theology Central

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studio located right here.

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In Abilene, Texas.

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Now, when you meet someone, when you have that first

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meeting with someone, your first time meeting someone, you start talking,

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you start making sometimes lots of judgments about them, relatively quick.

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Right.

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You may notice the their accent, you may notice what

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they're wearing. You may notice how they look, You may

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notice how they talk, how they laugh, and sometimes you

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may make some quick assessments. And sometimes those quick assessments.

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Sometimes those quick judgments are well. Not only are they

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just very shallow and surface, but many cases they're they're

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not really correct. You You may think you can say

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this about a person, but sometimes you don't really know,

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and you you may may come to some conclusion about them.

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You may come to some conclusion that they that you

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think this about them, or you think this about them,

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but in many cases you don't really know much because

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you just met them. You cannot judge a person. I

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guess I'll use this phrase. You can't judge a person

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by the cover. People say you can't judge a book

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by the by its cover. You can't judge a person

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by its cover. You get to know you just start

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getting to know them that first interaction, that first meeting.

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You can't you can't judge them. You don't because you

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don't know them. Here's what we have to know about

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every person we meet. That what we see is there's

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there's really what we see doesn't tell the story because

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behind what we see and every person we meet, there

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is a bigger story. There is a deeper story, and

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what we simply see externally doesn't tell that story. Right

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you meet them, they may talk about this, they may

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talk about that, and you may draw some kind of conclusion,

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but you don't really know what you're talking about because

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that person is much more complex than the things we

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judge and the things we critique and the things we

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like and dislike. There is an entire story behind that face,

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behind that voice, behind that personality. There's a story that

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has made them into what they are, and there's lots

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of parts of that story. Now, if you've listened to

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this podcast again, many times people jump to conclusions about

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me and they think they'll say this or say that,

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or well, you think this or you think and it's like,

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you don't really, I don't know if you're in the

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position to draw those kinds of conclusions because you don't

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really know me. You've heard my voice, you've heard me

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express this or that, but trust me, there's much more

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to the person behind this microphone. There is a story,

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and I've shared some of my story, and my story

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I typically kind of break into certain parts.

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Right.

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There is the story of my life before my mother died, right,

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and I've told about how horrible much of it was.

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Things get so bad that I then I'm living with

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a different family because of how the situation was unraveling

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and just getting worse and worse and worse. And while

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I was living with another family, my mother died. So

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we have the part of my story is before my

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mother died, then my mother died. Then I don't really

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I don't always go into much detail of the immediate

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aftermath or everything that happened after my mother died. I

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guess the main part I use tell after my mother

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died was then my attempted suicide and my eight weeks

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in a psychiatric ward. I do. I do sometimes tell

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that part of the story, so my you know, before

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my mother died, my mother died, my suicide attempt, and

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this my in a psychiatric hospital for those eight weeks,

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all right, So I do, I do tell that part,

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But there's a lot there that I don't really go

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into detail, and I don't really explain. Then my story

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really picks up. I joined the military, I leave Texas,

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I leave Abelene, and in a sense, I leave everything

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in the rear view mirror. I drive away, you know,

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I drive out, leave Abilene on a Greyhound bus, all right,

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And I don't ever look back. I don't, I mean,

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like to me, I don't ever want to look back.

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I don't want to come back. I'm done in a sense,

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I've kind of washed my hands of it all. I'm

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I'm done with everything about it, and I'm pursuing my

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life now. Of course, we know how life worked out

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about ten years later in the United States Military put

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me right back here in Apilene, Texas. It brought me

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back to where it all started.

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In a sense. So that's kind of my story. Before

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my mother died.

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The immediate I guess the immediate outcome of my mother's death,

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which is my suicide attempt in the psychiatric hospital, and

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then my life in the military.

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That's there.

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But in the midst of my story, there was another story.

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There was another story unfolding, and that was the story

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well of my sister. My sister was much younger than me,

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much younger than me when my mother died.

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I believe my.

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Sister was around six years of age, seven years of age.

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And don't get me, don't get upset at me for

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not knowing the age or dates and some of that,

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because again I don't have a I'm not super close

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with anyone in my family.

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So but she when my mother died, she was six

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or seven. She was young.

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I was a teenager, I was in high school, and

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she was around six or seven. My sister's name is Hope, right,

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lots of reasons. There was The Days of Our Lives

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soap opera. There was a character by the name of Hope.

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My understanding is my mom named Hope after that. I

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cannot confirm that because obviously my mother is dead, but

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her name was Hope, and of course she was little

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when my mother died. Now, for me, after my mother died. Obviously,

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I wasn't living at home number one, so I wasn't

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really present there to how everything was going down for Hope, right,

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and then I had my own life was unraveling and

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tried to kill myself psychiatric hospital. Obviously I wasn't thinking

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about my sister Hope. I wasn't giving I wasn't paying

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any attention to that nothing. I kind of kind of

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moved on with my life. Now, after I get out

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of the psychiatric hospital, I do come back home. So

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then it's me, my brother who's about two years younger

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than me, my sister, like I said, she's like six

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seven at this time, and then my father. Now for me,

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in my mind, I was thinking this is tragic as

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this has been my mother dying at the age of

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like thirty nine.

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My mother's dead.

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I tried to kill myself, okay, but I'm back at home, right,

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and other things in my life was unraveling.

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But I had this little maybe I.

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Was naive, but there was like okay here, because I'll

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never forget. We were standing in the kitchen and there

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was like this, there's like these countertops kind of like

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a where you could sit and eat at this kind

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of right there next to the kitchen, and we were

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kind of just standing there, sitting there, and it was

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my dad, it was my brother, it was my sister,

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and it was me. We were eating pizza. And in

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my mind as we were, as I was standing there,

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sitting there, I was like, as tragic as this has been,

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the this is gonna be. This is our chance. This

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is a chance for restoration. This is a chance for healing.

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This is a chance for reconciliation. This could be good.

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This could be we could actually be something like a family,

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even though we may never address the demons of the past,

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even though there may never be an apology. This this

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could be it right. That was my way of thinking.

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But everything went opposite to that, because less than one year,

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less than one year from my mother's.

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Death, my brother, my sister, and me were.

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Sitting in the exact same church, and the exact same

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church that my mother's casket was, I mean, where my

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mother's casket was was sitting right right where she was

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her body was in the exact same church, in the

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exact same spot now stood my father and another woman

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getting married. Less than one year, less than a year

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from burying my mother, And again the casket was standing

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in that very sitting in that very location. And now

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there's my dad and this other woman getting married. Now,

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at that point, things are obviously not I wasn't even

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sitting with the family. I wasn't sitting with my brother.

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I wasn't sitting with my sister. I was it was

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me myself by myself alone, and I'm sitting there looking

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at this like, what has happened? What has happened? Not

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only is my dad getting married, he's married a woman

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who had what four kids to see? Yeah, four kids.

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So next thing you know, the door opens, four kids

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come walking into the house, right, and well, I I

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lose my room, my brother loses his room, my sister

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loses her room. Like we're just we're like, we're all, well,

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my sister has to share a room. Me and my

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brother are now put in the back of the house.

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They did kind of an addition back there, and it's

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like everything changed, everything changed. And now again my sister,

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she's like seven years old at this time, and I'm

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just gonna be honest with you, I wasn't even thinking

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about her.

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I was thinking, what has happened? What is going on?

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Any hope of restoration, any hope of reconciliation. It's over.

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This whole thing has just fallen apart.

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And the woman who came in, she did not like me.

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She wanted me gone. All right, it was it was

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not a good situation. It was.

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It was not good.

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And but so for me because I was older, I

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was a teenager, I had graduated from high school. I

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was I was.

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I stayed away.

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I just d away from the house.

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I stayed away.

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So I did everything I could. I was trying to

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get into the military, and the next thing you know,

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I joined the military and I'm gone. I'm gone, and

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they're left in this now new bizarre situation was my

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brother and my sister.

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I was moving on with my life.

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Now I can look back with regret that I did

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not look out for my sister or think about her

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my life. I was still trying to figure out my life.

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But there was my sister and now in this new

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family dynamic, whatever you want to call it, right, and

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she's in the midst of it. I already knew there

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were problems, right because even before I leave, I tried

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to tell my dad and his new wife, hey, there's

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some drugs going on, there's something not right here, and

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I was basically I was ignored. I was ignored. Well,

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then I leave, and what unfolds there is utterly just

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it's it's complete and utter chaos. I could tell you

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all the stories, you would not believe, all the things

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that went down after I, but I was gone.

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I left.

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Now, after some time, my sister comes to where I

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am in Nebraska and stays with us for a little while.

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We definitely present Christianity to her. There's like some hope

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that maybe you know, nope, pun intended. Her name is Hope,

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but there was hope for hope that now she had

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we thought possibly put our faith in Christ. She was

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going to try to live out her Christian life. We

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thought things were possibly moving in the right direction. We

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really thought everything was going well. And then she came

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back home and then everything just completely un ravels.

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Everything.

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So I was a part of the story, but not really.

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I only only was there for a little bit of it.

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And then every thing that happens is just in it's tragic,

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it is insane, it is crazy. Everything that happened after

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just everything fall apart for my sister's life just utterly unraveled.

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It came completely apart. Now why am I mentioning a

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little bit of my story with my sister's story, Well,

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primarily because I want you to go listen to my

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sister's story. Because my sister's story has now been turned

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into a two part radio drama from the very famous

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program Unshackled. They have turned My Sister's story into a

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two part radio drama. Unshackled's been on the air on

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Christian radio stations forever. One of the long I think

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it is the longest running radio drama out there, and

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it tells the story of people's conversion. It tells and

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most of the stories are pretty dramatic, and well, my

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sister's story definitely fits right into all of that because

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her story was tragic, her story was crazy, and her

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conversion is somewhat dramatic. Now I kind of show up

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in the story just briefly. So let's so, this is

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what I'm going to do.

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I'm gonna let you hear a little bit of this.

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But what I'm going to do is in the notes

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to this program, I'm gonna put the link to part

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one and Part two of my sister story, and then

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for those who use the church one app. I'll send

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out a notification with a link. I'll send out probably

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two notifications, one to Part one of My Sister's story

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and another one to Part two of My sister story.

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audio dot com the new website Sermon audio dot Com

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if you look for Theology Central and then find the

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article section. I will also try to include links to

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my sister story there. If you're interested in hearing her story.

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Maybe you are, maybe you're not, but I do play

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a part of it. So let me let me at

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least explain a couple of things obviously unshackled breaking my

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Sister's story into two parts.

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Typically the stories are just one.

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Right, there's usually not just they're not usually two parts.

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Usually it's just one, and it's less than thirty minutes long.

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With their introduction, they're kind of in the middle. They

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have like a little information about their mission there in Chicago,

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and then the conclusion at the end.

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It's less than thirty minutes.

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So when you try to take someone's life story and

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compact it into less than thirty minutes or in this case,

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and two parts, you got to leave a lot of

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things out, and what's required in a lot of the

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storytelling is a lot of times they'll take multiple maybe

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events and kind of compact them into one thing. So

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it's not always a completely one hundred percent accurate telling

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of the story, right, and so, and my sister's case,

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a couple of things. One, well, there are there. The

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other woman obviously is still alive. My father is dead,

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but he doesn't show up in the story. I don't

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think ever, I don't think he does. Maybe he does,

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maybe in part two, I don't know, but he no,

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I don't know. I don't think no part two. He's

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already passed away by the time Part two takes place.

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So yeah, So, so it's just the the other woman

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does show up in it, and so my sister kind

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of I don't know what she said to them and

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how they wrote it.

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But they kind of they view the other woman in.

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A much more positive light than obviously I would, Okay,

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And that's an understatement. That's an understatement. And my sister

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doesn't put a she doesn't assign any blame to kind

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of what the environment she found herself. But if I

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was to tell you the stories, I mean basically when

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my dad got remarried the kids, it was almost like

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the Lord of the Flies is. It's like it just

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turned into sodom and Gomorrah. It was just insanity. And

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my sister was, you know, eight, nine, ten, eleven in

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the midst of all of that. It was insanity. It

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was just total insanity. So yeah, I could tell you

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the stories and how everything went, put it this way,

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and nothing went. Nothing was going on very I mean, well,

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we could talk about some really messed up things that happened.

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So but I think my sister didn't want want to

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put blame on that. I would definitely tell the story different,

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so her childhood part there. They move quickly through it,

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but it's done in a much more positive way than

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I would.

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I do show up in the story, and my part

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is not.

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I don't know. I don't know where this event supposedly occurred,

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and maybe a mixture of events, but it did not

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go down this way. I may we may review at

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least up to that point where I show up in

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the story, but I definitely I want you to hear

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the entirety of the story. It's a story of drugs,

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it's a story of sexual abuse, it's a story of addiction.

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It's a story of just a life spiraling literally out

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of control, of possible desire for suicide. It's it's it's

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just it's it's so tragic. But at least the good

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news now, as my sister is clean, that's the good news.

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Now she has put her faith in Jesus Christ, that's

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good news. And her life is now very different than

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what the story tells. But I want you to hear

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a little bit of this again. If you go to unshackled.

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I think it's unshackled dot org. Unshackled dot org. If

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you go to that and then look for their audio

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dramas and you scroll down, you'll see Hope Part one,

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Part two. That's her story, Hope Part one, Part two,

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And this is how it begins. This is an a

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This is an episode of Unshackled. The program kind of

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forces you to face yourself and think, is kind of

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their tagline. And uh, well, I want you to well

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listen and you can kind of hear. But what I

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want you to take from this, not only is if

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you go listen, I want you to.

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Just remember every person.

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You meet, you make all those quick rash judgments and

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you come and form all these opinions about them. And

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some people think they know someone within a couple of

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minutes and they're well, I don't like when people do

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that to me. Well you think this, stop stop, stop, stop,

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you don't know my story.

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Stop.

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I get really irritated by that, right, all of us,

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When you see someone, there's a story behind that person.

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You may not like their action, you may not like

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the way they do this, but there's a story and

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that story then makes up who we are. So when

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you hear my sister story, just remember everyone in your

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life there's a story. That stranger you meet, there's a story,

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and that story really is important. So this is all

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about the story of one person's life, my sisters. I

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play a part in it. It's just interesting that I

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kind of show up in part one. I wasn't expecting

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me to show up in it, because again there's a

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lot of I wasn't really there.

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I mean I was.

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Yeah. Our age difference really definitely put us in a

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different Uh. We were in different stages of life and

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a lot was going on for both of us.

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All right, but here we go.

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This is how it begins.

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How do you do due to the subject matter in

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this episode, parental guidance is suggested. Have you ever put

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a puzzle together only to get to the end and

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realize you're missing a few crucial pieces? Incredibly frustrating. The

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woman in our story thought of her life as a

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giant puzzle with missing pieces, and the missing represented the

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bad choices she had made. She thought she'd lost so

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much of herself that she'd never be whole again until

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Providence filled in the missing pieces, and that's when her

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heart and mind and very life were unshackled.

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Now, right before this starts, when my sister sent this

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to me yesterday and I hit play that first part,

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I'm like, Okay, that's really kind of profound puzzle, missing

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pieces Providence, Okay.

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I was like, okay, great.

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I wasn't giving it much thought, and then the opening

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scene happens, and immediately I was overwhelmed with emotion, like

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massively overwhelmed, because the scene opens with now the other

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woman is present, my sister's talking to her, and so like,

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at this moment, I was like, I'm a part of

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the story, Like even though I'm not mentioned here, I'm

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very much a part of the story.

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And it just brought it all back. It just brought

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like it.

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Was like someone just walking up punching me in the

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face of because my feelings of what was going on

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in that time were obviously very different than my sister's.

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But it forced me back into the story. And one

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of the ways I feel like I was able to

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navigate my life was there was like a like I'm done,

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Like that story is the past. I'm moving I'm not

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going back. Like I'm done. I'm letting it go. I

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don't want to relive it. I don't want to talk

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about it. I want to move on. And for the

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most part, I moved on and try to form out

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my own life. Now, the demons of my past were

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still haunting me. I know, no quote, I mean, you

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can't everything that we went through, You don't just you

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can't just leave all the Hey, I'm gonna leave all

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of my demons and all of my baggage at the

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Texas border and I'm leaving Texas. I carried plenty of

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it with me, and it struck and it has, you know,

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been an issue at times throughout my whole life. But

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I wasn't prepared to kind of be brought back into

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the story.

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So it was really messed up my day.

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Whow it had a profound impact on me. I can't

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even express like it literally, like even right now, I

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know they're getting ready to play it, and already like

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just chills go through my body because it's just like

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forcing me.

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I can I can almost imagine the house.

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I you know, I can imagine the room this conversation

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happened in.

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I know what room it would have been in.

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Like I know that this is not one hundred percent

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accurate retelling of it. Of course, it's dramatized, and I

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know they're bringing a lot of costs us together. But

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I mean there's things about this that just drives me

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crazy because they it's presented and not as negative as

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it should have been presented, right it because yeah it it, yeah,

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the whole thing, the whole thing. But here's here's how

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they start the story.

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Hey, what what are you doing?

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Boob oh?

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You startled me?

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Why are you changing my bedroom around?

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Oh? I'm making a little more space in here, Like.

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My bed has always been by the window.

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I know, but my daughters need a place to sleep.

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You have stepsisters moving in little.

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Little change now, huh? Since you married my dad.

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I know losing your mom was hard, but your dad

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and I think you'll be happier now, will be a

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real family again.

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Now I can't I can't stand that line. I can't

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stand that line because this would be my This is

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supposed to be my sister again. This is the story

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of my sister's life dramatized. That's supposed to be my sister.

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And then that's the woman my father had married after

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my mother had died. Yes, all the step brothers and

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step sisters quote unquote, I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily

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refer to any of them as stepbrothers or stepsisters.

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I don't.

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I don't claim any kinship or or any relationship with

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any of them, right, I Like, I know that may

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not be very nice, But like the way I had

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to survive, this was, I just know I'm not connected

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to any of this. I don't even know what's happening. How,

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how was this even going on?

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Right?

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And there was trust me, there was no There was

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no connection between me and the other my father's new wife.

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The things were not good there either. So but yes,

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they moved in and me and my brother again we

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got moved to the back and my sister, Like I

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don't even know where she was in the midst of

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all of it, but her whole life was being rearranged,

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so there was it was difficult for her. Now, Hey,

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we're gonna be a real family. Now, I can't stand

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that line. That line drives me crazy because there was

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no being a real family. That's the Oh it was

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so not that. It was everything opposite of that. I'm

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telling you. It was the lord of the flies. It's

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like they they got married and they did their thing,

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and the kids were left to just finn for themselves,

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which led to utter chaos, led to the drugs, led

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to all the things that ultimately happened that ultimately almost

472
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.640
you know, killed my sister. So again I'm not denying

473
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.799
her personal choice in this, but man, she was so

474
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:45.480
young in this.

475
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.839
I'm going to back this up again again.

476
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.400
This what we're listening to is my sister's life that's

477
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:53.960
been turned into a two part radio drama for the

478
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:58.119
radio program Unshackled. It aired a couple of weeks ago.

479
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.359
My sister sent this this to me yesterday. If you

480
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.240
want to hear it, you can go to unshackled dot

481
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.519
org look for audio dramas. You have to scroll down

482
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.640
look for Hope Part one, Part two. I will be

483
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.680
sending out links after this is over. But listen, I

484
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.440
do show up in the story and well, well critique

485
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:17.920
my scene when we get there.

486
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.519
Here we go, Brown, Oh, I'm making a little more.

487
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.880
I'm going to back that up a little bit more

488
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.839
that I wasn't very far.

489
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:33.279
Here we go, sus and that's when her heart and

490
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.279
mind and very life were unshackled.

491
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.279
Hey, what what are you doing?

492
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:55.880
Boop?

493
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:57.799
You startled me?

494
00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:59.880
Why are you changing my bedroom around?

495
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.839
Oh? I'm making a little more space in here.

496
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.759
My bed has always been by the window, I.

497
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.640
Know, but my daughters need a place to sleep. You

498
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.200
have stepsisters moving in.

499
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.720
It'll all change now, huh. Since you married my dad.

500
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.920
I know losing your mom was hard, but your dad

501
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.279
and I think you'll be happier now, will be a

502
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:21.200
real family again.

503
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.079
And I have to share my room afraid.

504
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.039
So and your closet too. But you'll have stepsisters. Won't

505
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:29.680
that be fun?

506
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.279
But my closet's already so small.

507
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.359
Will work it out.

508
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:34.359
Tell you what.

509
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.160
Let's go and find your new sisters and have some

510
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.279
blueberry muffins.

511
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.400
Okay, but mom always made brownies on Sundays.

512
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.920
Huh. I have no idea where my sister if they

513
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:51.079
I don't know if if Unshackle added the brownies on Sundays,

514
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:54.839
but apart, I don't know where that comes from. I

515
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.519
have no idea. I don't remember one time in my

516
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:04.359
entire life my mom making brownies, Okay, not once, if

517
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.640
it happened to happen, if anyone see, my dad made

518
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.960
peanut butter peanut butter candy. I did love that. I

519
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.480
don't know what the recipe was, but I absolutely loved it.

520
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:19.799
And then maybe my dad may have made brownies. I

521
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.880
don't remember my mom making anything, okay, So I don't

522
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.319
know where that came from. I have no idea. I

523
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.480
don't if my sister added that, I don't know of

524
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.680
her mind. I don't know where that came from. And

525
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.880
I definitely don't remember the other woman making anything, okay.

526
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.119
If she made blueberry muffins, I don't remember where those

527
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.640
ever showed up either, Okay, because all I remember is

528
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.119
all of us kids fending for ourselves. They would go

529
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.680
to the grocery store and buy stuff that basically was

530
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.279
expired they were about to throw away they put it

531
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.640
in a huge freezer, and then we would open the

532
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.079
freezer and take whatever these frozen almost expired pizzas and

533
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.480
burritos or whatever, and then put them in a microwave

534
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:01.599
that and then me and my brother came up with

535
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:07.519
a couple of things to make. Like I this, I

536
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.480
don't remember any of this going down. I don't remember,

537
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.759
and I definitely my Again, my sister was like six

538
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.759
or seven when this was all happening, so I don't

539
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.680
know if she gave this to unshackled or this is

540
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.960
the dramatized part.

541
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:20.640
That they made up.

542
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:24.079
But that I'm like, where did this occur? All right,

543
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.279
but let's let's see how this goes down.

544
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.759
Oh, well, your sisters like muffins better. You're okay with that,

545
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.319
aren't you? I guess, so of course you are now

546
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.640
hurry before your sisters eat all the muffins.

547
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.000
And just for context, so what happened is the woman

548
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.720
my father married had four kids, two girls, two boys,

549
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.839
so there was four right then you had me at

550
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.640
means five, my brother other makes six, and then my

551
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:03.319
sister makes seven.

552
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.759
So that's how we went from.

553
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:11.960
Yeah and yeah, the rest is history, and you'll see

554
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:16.319
where how my sister is going to tell this story?

555
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.160
From Chicago, Pacific Garden Mission brings you Unshackled, the unique

556
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.960
dramatic series that tells meaningful stories of lives transformed in

557
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eighteen seventy seven, when the first rescue mission west of

558
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the Hudson River opened its doors. The facilities were limited,

559
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but the aim was impressive to provide help and hope

560
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561
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the facilities are greatly expanded, but the aim is unchanged.

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Help includes food, clothing, lodging, rehabilitation, life skill classes, house

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565
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dealing with the total person. In nineteen fifty, when our

566
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:08.440
first Unshackled program was broadcast, it was heard by possibly

567
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.559
a few thousand listeners. Today and on almost every nation

568
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.839
on Earth, it is heard by millions. This still growing

569
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outreach exists because listeners have made it their business to

570
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invest in our ministry. They are determined to make it

571
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.920
possible for others to hear the message of hope, healing

572
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.920
and redemption, which is what this program celebrates now for

573
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.119
broadcast around the earth. Here is episode number three, eight

574
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:38.160
hundred thirty seven in the series Unshackled, the program that

575
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:48.440
makes you face yourself and think. The woman in our

576
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.160
story experienced the death of a parent, which is especially

577
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.200
hard on a child. Would it be too hard to

578
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.160
bounce back from You'll find out as we bring you

579
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.920
part one of the true story of a woman we're

580
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.039
calling Hope right now on unshackle.

581
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.119
And they calling her Hope, her real name is Hope.

582
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.400
And the death of a parent again, for any of us,

583
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.480
I don't know if any of us ever bounced back

584
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.000
from it. I don't know if any of us was

585
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.400
able to ever truly recover from it.

586
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:20.960
I don't know.

587
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
Yeah, I mean, obviously I tried to kill myself in

588
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.039
the immediate aftermath of it. My sister again, between six

589
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:35.880
and eight years of age. Her situation was just I

590
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.799
don't even I mean, like I said, I was so

591
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.079
separated from it in some aspects. And then my brother,

592
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:46.039
his whole story is his own stories. So let's hear

593
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.759
a little bit. I'm not going to play all of

594
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.960
this again. I'm just introducing this so that everyone, if

595
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.599
you want, if you're interested, you'll go listen.

596
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:54.279
But the message is this.

597
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.000
Every person you meet has a story. Don't just reduce

598
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.039
them to a cover. Just don't reduce them to well,

599
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.000
they like this or they don't like There's more to

600
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.920
people than we sometimes want to imagine. And well, here's

601
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:14.800
my sister's story.

602
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.800
Some people say time heals all wounds, but I never

603
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.719
believed it. Gaining a new family at eight years old

604
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.599
after my mom died rocked my world. My stepmom tried

605
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.599
her best to give me.

606
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.159
A new normal. We did things most families do.

607
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.880
We always attended church, which I liked, but I never

608
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.400
seemed to find my place, not in school, not even

609
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:38.239
in my own family.

610
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.360
A peace of myself always seemed to be missing.

611
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.119
I thought i'd finally found it during high school, until

612
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.440
I realized that sometimes fitting in could lead you into

613
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.199
the wrong places.

614
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.320
Now, a couple of there's a lot there, Okay they

615
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.760
if they did go to church, that definitely was different

616
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.400
than when I was living there, because we didn't. Okay,

617
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.400
there was some church here or there, but that's not

618
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.280
the way it went down.

619
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.239
Second, I know the other woman is alive.

620
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.440
So my sister, you know, she sees the other woman

621
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.800
more in a motherly way than obviously I did. And

622
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.519
I would not say she did. I would say that

623
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.079
my father and her did not do the best that

624
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:26.280
they could. And the way my sister is telling the story,

625
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.280
you know that everything everything kind of went wrong in

626
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.679
high school, but the things that were falling apart and

627
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.840
disintegrating were happening there in the house right because it

628
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.679
turned I mean again, it's not even my words. Other

629
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.960
people who were there, other people who were in that

630
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.280
myth said it became sodom and gomorrah. It was just insanity.

631
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:52.239
It was just total anarchy. And so maybe my way

632
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.880
is much more negative. But again, my sister probably didn't

633
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.800
want the story to be told from a more negative

634
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.760
personerspective blaming, because I think what contributed to a lot

635
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.039
of it was what was going on in the house

636
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.199
on Fridays and Saturday nights. Because I've heard horrible stories

637
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.039
about what's happened. I mean, I can tell you the story,

638
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.400
so I got proof of those stories. So but I

639
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.639
think my sister did not want to do any more

640
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.519
damage to because she wants a relationship there with with

641
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.079
that with the woman than my father married again, my

642
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:33.320
father died way way into this story. So yeah, but yeah, let's.

643
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:38.760
Listen, especially when it came to boys. I don't know

644
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.840
about this, Jack. My stepmom's pretty strict on curfews.

645
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.639
Hey, chill, it's just a little party, I know.

646
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.519
But what you nervous because I got just the thing

647
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:48.840
for that.

648
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.039
Okay, I'll drink one beer, but then we have to

649
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:52.559
go beer.

650
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:59.039
I got something better try. This is that weed, not

651
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.639
just any weed, the best here. Let me be like,

652
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.000
now she's putting the weed outside of the house. I

653
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.639
already knew the weed and the drugs were already in

654
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.559
the house. In fact, I'd already warned the parents that, hey,

655
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.519
or my father and then the woman he married, Hey,

656
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.079
there's there's there's drugs here. Does anyone care? There's like,

657
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:24.280
are you gonna do it?

658
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.239
And I was.

659
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.880
I was basically like I was trying to cause trouble.

660
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.239
I was a troublemaker. I was. And I'm like, okay, whatever. So,

661
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.679
so the drugs were in the house, she didn't have

662
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.159
to she didn't have to go outside of the house.

663
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.239
The drugs were in the house. Sorry that that was

664
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.320
the issue. Okay, but all right, light it up for you.

665
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.599
I don't know you start feeling it.

666
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.840
You, I can go somewhere and have a little.

667
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:55.760
Fun by everybody's watching us, so everybody's doing it.

668
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:56.920
You fit right in?

669
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:06.239
Well okay, but justice once fitting in didn't make me

670
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.000
feel any better deep down. But I was accepted by

671
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.800
the party crowd, and that felt good, or so I thought,

672
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.960
until smoking weed became a habit, and so did give

673
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.079
an in to every guy who asked. I was always

674
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.400
terrified that my parents might find out, but I craved

675
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.760
that feeling of acceptance.

676
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:26.360
Then I went to spend the summer.

677
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.960
With my older brother, who was a church pastor and

678
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.800
apparently very intuitive.

679
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.400
Okay, this is where I show up in the story.

680
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.800
This is where I show up in the story. Ladies

681
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.159
and gentlemen. Now, I was not a church pastor at

682
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.760
the time, Okay, so that's number one. I was in

683
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.239
the military. I was going to school to be a

684
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.880
church pastor. But she did come stay with us, and

685
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.440
I was I guess I was somewhat intuitive. I was

686
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.719
intuitive before I left home, trying to let everyone know

687
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.639
this situation is not good. I was trying to offer

688
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.800
the warning then, right, So when she came to live

689
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.800
with us, I was trying to fix the problem. This

690
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:11.920
story that she's about to tell did not happen because

691
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:17.440
I would never, in any circumstance manipulate someone to go

692
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.960
to church. This did not happen this way. I'm gonna

693
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.599
have to ask my sister about how did y'all tell?

694
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.320
Why did this show up in the story?

695
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:25.639
You?

696
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.039
I never manipulated you to go to church?

697
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:28.800
No, I wouldn't.

698
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.519
That was never my game. Well, if you don't do this,

699
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.679
if you don't come to church, I'm gonna do That's no,

700
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.239
that's not the that's not the way I've ever handled it.

701
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.840
But here, here's where I show up. I show up

702
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.119
as Terry. That's not my real name, but that's the

703
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.320
name they use. This is me showing up in the

704
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.559
story right Here we go? Here? Here, Here is yours

705
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.519
truly in an episode of Unshackled. Here we go?

706
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.639
What roll it down? Hand over the keys? Why now

707
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:09.840
where you going?

708
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:11.840
Don't you trust me to drive your car?

709
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.320
Is there some reason I shouldn't?

710
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:14.480
Huhuh No?

711
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:15.440
Why?

712
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.360
Look, hope you may be able to full mom and dad,

713
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:18.880
but not me.

714
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.920
I'm just going to a party, a.

715
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.000
Party where everyone's smoking and drinking and who knows what else,

716
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:24.920
I don't.

717
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:25.679
I'm not.

718
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:27.440
I know the pressure you're under.

719
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:28.360
What pressure?

720
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.159
And pressure can cause you to do things that can

721
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.199
get you into trouble.

722
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:33.400
What's that mean?

723
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:35.480
It means I can't let you drive my car if

724
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.400
you're hungover, going to drink some more?

725
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:38.039
Terry?

726
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:38.840
Am I right?

727
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:41.480
What?

728
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:42.119
So?

729
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:42.360
Now?

730
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.400
I guess you'll tell Dad.

731
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.159
Don't you think I should? Oh?

732
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:46.400
Great, just what I need.

733
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.119
Look, I know from experience you won't find what you're

734
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:50.400
looking for and drinking.

735
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.800
And drugs cause it's a sin, right.

736
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.639
Yeah, it is, and because God wants a better life

737
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.320
for you than that.

738
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:57.519
So what are you gonna do?

739
00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.800
You're gonna send me home?

740
00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.320
No?

741
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:01.760
Not if you come to church with me tomorrow.

742
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.480
Please don't make me do that. You used to love church,

743
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.280
but God gave up on me a long time ago.

744
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.599
Or maybe you gave up on him when you started

745
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.119
doing your own thing, like what well, like all the

746
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.280
things you were going to do tonight had I not

747
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:15.840
stopped you.

748
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:16.840
Hope.

749
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.119
I know it's nice to feel accepted and cool, but

750
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.679
think about what you're doing before it destroys your life.

751
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.760
There was my appearance in the episode of Unshackled. There's

752
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.800
so much about that. First, I don't have a Southern

753
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.599
accent like that. Okay, So that's that's two. I'm not terry. Three.

754
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.000
When she come to live with us in Nebraska, she

755
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.400
wasn't partying she was. I mean, she didn't. She didn't

756
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.559
even have a driver's license. I don't even think at

757
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.039
the time if she did. She definitely wasn't driving my

758
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.280
car at least I don't.

759
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:48.800
Believe she was.

760
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.079
Okay, there was never a situation where I'm like, you're

761
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.599
not dog, give me the keys.

762
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:55.159
There was never. That never occurred.

763
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:57.679
And I never would have said, I'll tell Dad unless

764
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:58.679
you come to church with me.

765
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:00.639
That's not that's not.

766
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.159
She came to church with us because well, we went

767
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.840
to church, and she was living with us, and we

768
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.400
weren't letting her stay by herself. So she went to

769
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.239
church and then she made a profession of faith, and

770
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:16.719
then everything well, we thought everything was great, We thought

771
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.800
everything was going well, and then she came back home,

772
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:26.639
and then everything once she comes back home, after she

773
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:31.880
left Nebraska to come back, that's when the story literally

774
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:38.559
unravels and a total complete chaos. Right here, we'll listen

775
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:39.679
to just a little bit more.

776
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.159
I wanted to take his advice, But the drugs already

777
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.440
had a grip on me even in college. Daily use

778
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.840
was a huge part of my life, and they helped

779
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.639
medicate my feelings of emptiness. So when I met someone

780
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.679
who made marriage sound cool and appealing, it might fill

781
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.559
that empty spot. We had a daughter, Melanie, and I

782
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.320
soon discovered that my new spouse struggled with mental health issues.

783
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.000
Shut there, kudeo, Melanie, Daddy didn't mean that.

784
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:15.559
Daddy want you to shut up?

785
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.280
Stop it. You're scaring her.

786
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.280
No, what scares her is the possibility leaving us. What

787
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:30.440
Now that marriage was not good, Dad turned into horrible situation. Now,

788
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.480
I was not a part of any I was in Nebraska,

789
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.519
I was in the military, and i'd basically, for all

790
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.039
practical purposes, had no contact with anyone in the family.

791
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.000
I basically was done. I was I had moved on

792
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.679
with my life. So she ends up in an abusive situation,

793
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.239
horrible situation. That husband ended up killed. He ended up murdered.

794
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.119
If I remember that part of it the story correct,

795
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.719
I don't think they go into that. Then she marries

796
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.960
someone else, that marriage falls apart. But yeah, at this point,

797
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.719
things are not going well. Things are not going well.

798
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.119
Things are things are not good here, right, And so

799
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:14.800
I think I come back, I end up in not

800
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:16.360
I don't end up in the middle of it. I

801
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.639
think I show back up a couple of times, and

802
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.559
I think me and Hope have some Then I think

803
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.320
then I because I'm I'm kind of like, you know, young,

804
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.840
you know, passionate, trying to serve God. I think I

805
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.599
kind of handled it in a much more phariseical, judgmental

806
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.440
kind of way, like, basically, you're an idiot. I don't

807
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.719
know what your problem is, you know, if that's the

808
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.400
way you're gonna be. Basically, I just I did not

809
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.079
handle it in a very compassionate or godly way.

810
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:44.920
I was very much like, you're.

811
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.800
Just being an idiot and you're destroying your life, and

812
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.400
I don't know what your problem is. You you claim

813
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.559
to believe in God, but clearly like I just came

814
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.920
at it in a very judgmental not I didn't handle

815
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.960
it in a very good way, let's put it that way.

816
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.320
So at that point that our relationship was pretty much over,

817
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.119
and then she was kind of, well, then it just

818
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:08.480
drugs and and we're not even getting I mean, when

819
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.519
you get to part two of this. The story just loose,

820
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.480
I mean it just it is why it's why it's

821
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.559
turned into our radio drama, because it's absolutely crazy. But

822
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.800
we'll just wrap this up to at least this part. Oh,

823
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.760
come on, Hope, I see the way you look at

824
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:25.320
our mailman.

825
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.000
Are you out of your mind?

826
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.199
You know it's true and it's not just him.

827
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.599
I saw you talking to Dave, Dave who the grocery

828
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:33.880
store manager.

829
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.440
This past weekend.

830
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.480
You're insane and you're sor I was asking him where

831
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.400
they kept the baby formula and.

832
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.280
Probably getting his number two and shut her up? Or

833
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:46.960
so help me what you'll beat on her like you

834
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:47.480
beat on me.

835
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:49.280
Stop it?

836
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:50.239
You deserved it.

837
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.400
And where do you think you're going?

838
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:54.360
Let go of me?

839
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.639
Come here, baby, Come with mama.

840
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:58.199
Hey, where do you think you're going?

841
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.880
Anywhere you follow? Tell me I'll go to the police.

842
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:07.280
You know you can't make it without me. You'll be back.

843
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.760
Driving away with my face bruised and my nose bladen.

844
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.880
I vowed to make it on my own, somehow, alone

845
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.360
with my little girl and without his constant.

846
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.079
Abuse, I managed to land on my feet.

847
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.840
I finished college, got a job, and worked hard to

848
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.199
keep my drug use from my.

849
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:32.559
Boss, and that that is true. She did.

850
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.920
She did get a good graduated from college, did get

851
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:39.280
a good job. Things were looking up for a while.

852
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.800
Things were actually there was a period of time looked good.

853
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:47.519
In fact, I came back, yeah for her for the

854
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.880
second marriage. I was there when she got married. I

855
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.519
was there when she got married. I did come in

856
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.760
from Nebraska for the second marriage, and everything was looking up,

857
00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:00.800
like like she had. Everything was looking really good at

858
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.119
the second marriage. Things were she had made it through

859
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:08.039
all of the craziness at the house. But the drugs

860
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.760
really kind of was was, I guess still there like

861
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:11.480
at that time.

862
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.559
I wouldn't have known the drugs were still there.

863
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.960
At that point, I would not have had a clue

864
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.280
because I was so disconnected from it.

865
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:22.719
I even found a babysitter who lived in my building.

866
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.199
That babysitter, Cindy, would take my daughter with her to

867
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.320
the prison when she was visiting a relative there. That relative, Robert,

868
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.480
got to know me a little through my daughter and

869
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.239
her babysitter.

870
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:42.960
Robert becomes the third husband in the story. So so again,

871
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.519
this is all from Unshackled. This is my sister's story

872
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.840
and aired recently, and I just I'm I'm just what

873
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.599
I'm trying to use this for is to show you

874
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.719
that no matter what, when you meet a person, there's

875
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.199
more to them than what you see. And well, this

876
00:47:58.239 --> 00:47:59.880
is my sister's story. So we'll just play a little

877
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.280
bit more of this, and then I'm going to put

878
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.719
the links to the episodes in the show notes, and

879
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.119
then if you're using the Church one app, I'll send

880
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.440
out the link to this. If you go to unshackled

881
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.039
dot org, you can you can hear a little bit more. Well,

882
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:18.880
you can hear all of my sister's story. They broke

883
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.960
it down into two parts, and uh, well part two

884
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.119
is where it Well, well, well let's just review a

885
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.119
little bit more of this.

886
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.239
So you can imagine my surprise when.

887
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.400
Hello, this is a call from Alfred D.

888
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.280
Hughes unit.

889
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:38.159
We have inmate.

890
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:39.719
Robert Ray is on the line.

891
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:40.519
You accept the call?

892
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.559
Who do you accept the call?

893
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:43.840
Uh?

894
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.440
Yeah, hope for the transfer please.

895
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.320
Hope. Yes, Hi, it's good to finally talk to you.

896
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.880
Yeah, Hi, Robert, I got your letter.

897
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.840
Oh good, I hope it's okay that I'm calling.

898
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.079
Yeah, sure, good to finally hear your voice after hearing

899
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.119
so much about you from Cindy and Melanie.

900
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:13.599
Oh well, thanks, So how are you? That's a terrible question.

901
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:14.719
You're in prison.

902
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.079
No, it's fine. I'm doing good. I'm doing forty five.

903
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:22.119
I'm doing good forty five years. Yeah, but I'm praying

904
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.280
for parole. You never know.

905
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.559
Well, that's that's good.

906
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.559
Yep. I believe with the Lord anything as possible.

907
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:30.760
Yeah.

908
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.519
Your letter said you were in a Bible study. You

909
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.440
still doing that.

910
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.760
I can't not go to Bible study helps me survive.

911
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.400
We do a weekly study here with guys from our unit.

912
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:42.519
Oh that's nice.

913
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.400
How about you. Hope you read the Bible?

914
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.800
Oh not in a long time.

915
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.719
Always time to start again.

916
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:50.079
Oh I don't know.

917
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:52.039
God and I are.

918
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:54.800
Rather distant these days.

919
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.679
Oh well, I can guarantee you he's not the one

920
00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:59.239
that moved.

921
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.440
I feel like he's given up on me.

922
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.599
Or maybe you gave up on him. Like I said,

923
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.719
he don't move. It's always us. But sin does that

924
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.320
to a person, makes him move away from God. So

925
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.360
what's your struggle?

926
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:14.199
Struggle?

927
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.360
Yeah, what separates you from God? Booze, drugs, lust, pride, greed.

928
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:20.440
We all got something.

929
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:28.880
Well, I do some drugs, but I don't use that

930
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.159
work or around my daughter.

931
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.039
But it's hard, right, I get it.

932
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:36.800
When you need someone to talk to, give me a call,

933
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.639
I'm well, I'm always here.

934
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.599
I was fascinated that someone doing a forty five year

935
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.440
prison sentence will be reading the Bible and trying to

936
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:53.360
encourage me. His words echoed my brothers that God hadn't

937
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.159
given up on me. It was strange and comforting at

938
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.239
the same time. And our friendship brew along with.

939
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:00.880
The phone calls.

940
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.280
And now I've got that better job. I think I'm

941
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:05.679
finally getting my life together.

942
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.880
So did you marry that guy we talked about?

943
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.119
I did. He's kind of Melanie sounds good.

944
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.039
But no drugs right.

945
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:18.440
Well not exactly because well he uses just.

946
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.039
To relax all by himself.

947
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.480
No, actually we both do, but only on weekends.

948
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:26.960
I hope that won't work for you.

949
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.760
You know that I can handle it.

950
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:29.920
So far, it's been okay.

951
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.360
Now this part of the story, Like I said, I

952
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.599
at this point, I'm in Nebraska, I'm in the military.

953
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.239
I'm moving on. I don't have much connection.

954
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:44.559
The first husband.

955
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.599
Then everything fell apart there, the abuse, the violence, everything there.

956
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.000
Then the second when she marries the second husband. I

957
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.519
was there at the wedding. I came from Nebraska in

958
00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:00.119
for that, so I was there for that part. And

959
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.719
then at this point her meeting Robert, starting to talk

960
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.280
to Robert, I I didn't know much about this.

961
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.159
I think i'd heard some about it.

962
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.239
I didn't. I wasn't paying a lot of attention. I

963
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.800
mean I had, I mean I was. I was, you know,

964
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.480
in the military, I was full time, full time student

965
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.440
and what two different schools, and so I was, I was,

966
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.360
I was doing, you know, trying to get all my

967
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:28.360
theological education in the military family, so I was. I

968
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.320
was extremely busy at this time. So when this all

969
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:36.239
was going on, I wasn't as I knew about some

970
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.360
of it, but didn't know a lot of this part

971
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.639
of the story at this at this part, at some point,

972
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:44.800
I don't know at what point in the timeline, the

973
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:49.920
first husband is murdered, So that happens at some point

974
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.199
in in a lot of this.

975
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.519
But okay, can go bad really fast, especially when you're using.

976
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.280
I knew Robert was right that I couldn't keep my

977
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.039
drug use weekends only for long. I just kept using

978
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.079
and hiding until Melanie got married and moved away. By then,

979
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.119
my husband was struggling with his own issues and eventually

980
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:20.760
moved out. My friendship with Robert was the only constant

981
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.880
thing in my life except for my persistent need for

982
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.760
a high. As a result, the phone line into the

983
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.960
prison was quickly becoming my lifeline.

984
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:32.920
So you're on your own.

985
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.800
Again, just me now the Melanie's married.

986
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.079
Melanie tells me you're living in that old house or

987
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:38.760
your grandma's.

988
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.840
You and Melanie have always had a special connection.

989
00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.800
Ever since she came to visit me as a little girl.

990
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.920
She sure has needed a good Bible reading. Man's influence

991
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:47.760
in her life.

992
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.800
Could be you do too, maybe, so you should think

993
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:52.239
about it.

994
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:57.920
I knew Robert was right.

995
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.639
I needed a Bible reading kind of got to be

996
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:03.199
a good influence on me. And I also knew my

997
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.800
feelings for him had grown. I knew he understood me

998
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.119
better than anyone ever had. So when he brought up

999
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.960
the very unorthodox idea of marriage to a prisoner serving time,

1000
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:15.239
I was shocked.

1001
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.800
Now at this point, from the outside, I'm just gonna

1002
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.480
be honest, the rest of us was kind of like,

1003
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.280
what is going on?

1004
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:26.519
What is happening here?

1005
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.960
Like like, because I would only hear parts of this right,

1006
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.599
like I wasn't like it has intimately involved in some

1007
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:32.800
of this.

1008
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.320
I'm kind of like, wait, what is my sister doing now?

1009
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.239
Like what is what is she's going to marry someone

1010
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:39.679
who's in prison? Like this?

1011
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.400
This is where things were, like what is happening? But

1012
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.320
at the same time, I did not any communication I

1013
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.000
did have with her because there was times, you know,

1014
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.639
I was talking to her about some of this and

1015
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.440
all the different things that were going on. I had

1016
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.880
changed my approach here and it was no longer like

1017
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.320
I'm just going to be judging and condemning, because I

1018
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.360
had grown up a lot right earlier on in her

1019
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.400
life when the drugs were starting and some of this

1020
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.559
stuff was going on, I was much younger in my

1021
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.039
faith and much more like, what is your problem?

1022
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:13.320
You're not even a Christian?

1023
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:13.880
You know.

1024
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.840
I was very much just condemning, a very much approaching it,

1025
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.440
and a not a yeah definitely not a grace based way,

1026
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.400
very much a law based way, because but yeah this,

1027
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.920
but yeah, things things here.

1028
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.840
This is where things and it's crazy.

1029
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.519
Looking at the timeline, but things are about to reach

1030
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:42.119
an absolutely just it's things are about to explode and

1031
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:46.000
fall apart. At one point, she's living in well, my

1032
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:51.360
mom and dad's old house, right that had there's no

1033
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.559
way to turn there's no way to say this nicely.

1034
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.440
It had been turned into basically a drug den. They

1035
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.440
had utterly destroyed. The house was destroyed beyond like, you

1036
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:06.679
can't even comprehend the living conditions they were in. It

1037
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.920
was insane, the things that were going on, the things

1038
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:16.679
she was doing to get the drugs utterly just things

1039
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:20.400
had reached a level like I cannot wrap my mind.

1040
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.639
I can't even explain to you how bad they were.

1041
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.920
Definitely can't do it on a Christian podcast. There was

1042
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.599
sexual sexual things going on that I cannot go into.

1043
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:32.800
There were there was drug use.

1044
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.119
I mean the house was totally destroyed. Uh. They were

1045
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.280
living in conditions that no human beings should be living in.

1046
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.360
It was it was bad. Things at this point had.

1047
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:48.079
Started getting really really bad around this. Maybe not exactly

1048
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.079
at this time, but things maybe it was a little

1049
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:56.000
after this, but things were slowly unraveling.

1050
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:02.800
And thrilled Tomorrow's big day. Ready for a marriage by proxy.

1051
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.039
If it means I'll have you in my life forever,

1052
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:05.719
I'll be.

1053
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:07.320
Ready you clear and what to do.

1054
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.000
Yep, I'll have a person to stand in and answer

1055
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.400
for you when he hears you answer my.

1056
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.119
Phone, well, who did you find?

1057
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:15.400
I got that covered.

1058
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:17.760
Just promise me you won't back out never.

1059
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.159
You and Melanie are my life now, and someday maybe

1060
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.960
I'll be paroled and we can start a real life together.

1061
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.039
I'm hoping and praying that will happen.

1062
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.239
That's exactly what I wanted to hear.

1063
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.559
Now. Somewhere in the midst of this time frame, me

1064
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.639
and I start talking to Robert, not all the time,

1065
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.800
but he would call. He would call frequently, Holidays, he

1066
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.400
would call. He would ask me at some point in

1067
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.119
all of this, he's all worried about Hope, asking me

1068
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:49.519
what is Hope doing?

1069
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:50.239
What's going on?

1070
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:54.280
And I don't have any answers for him, And it's like, yeah,

1071
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.159
so me and Robert do talk a lot. Not a lot,

1072
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:01.719
but we talked a lot at specific times when Hope's

1073
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.559
behavior just became so erratic and started literally just she

1074
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.199
was rapidly descending into just total chaos. And by the

1075
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.639
time you get to part two of this, you'll hear

1076
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.119
if you want to hear the rest of the story,

1077
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:17.559
but we'll play just a little bit more.

1078
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.079
Having a husband who actually loved me was a new

1079
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.079
and wonderful experience, but being separated because of his prison

1080
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:33.079
sentence was emotionally painful, and when things got lonely, the.

1081
00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:34.719
Old habits came back hard.

1082
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.599
I filled my lonely hours with drugs that I did

1083
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.559
my best to hide from both Robert and Melanie. But

1084
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.679
I couldn't hide my addiction from my bosses, so it

1085
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.400
eventually cost me one good job after another. With no

1086
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:51.880
money and a raging habit to support, my life became

1087
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:55.079
a dumpster fire. I was frantic to keep Melanie from

1088
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:56.400
finding out.

1089
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.199
Dumpster fire is the biggest understatement in the history of humankind.

1090
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:09.119
What turned it? It turned into was insanity was just

1091
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.239
I mean, it does. It just goes from bad to worse.

1092
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.239
So what you're listening to is my sister's story that

1093
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.719
has been turned into a radio drama for the radio

1094
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:21.880
program Unshackled. It aired a couple of weeks ago. My

1095
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:26.519
sister sent this to me yesterday and uh, I play

1096
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.239
a little bit a part of it. You heard me,

1097
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:31.960
you heard my part in it, which again that that

1098
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.159
event they dramatized that that's not the way I went down.

1099
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.079
I'm gonna ask my sister, hey, why did you that's

1100
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.760
not the way that went down? How did that? Why?

1101
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:42.039
How did that show up? Again?

1102
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:46.159
She told the basic story and then they dramatized it.

1103
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.239
So some things is a combination of events and some things,

1104
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.960
but the story gets horrible. And if you want to

1105
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:58.079
listen to the rest, go to unshackled dot org. Unshackled

1106
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.760
dot org scrolled look for Hope Part one, Part two.

1107
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.760
You'll hear her story. What I'm going to do is

1108
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.840
when this is over and I upload this, it'll be

1109
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.960
the links will be in the show notes. I'll put

1110
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:15.119
the links in the show notes. Secondly, if you're using

1111
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.719
the church one app, I'll send out the links. And

1112
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:20.199
then third if you go to the brand new just

1113
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:24.599
launched today sermon audio dot com website, you should look

1114
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.400
at it. It's the brand new website launch today Sermon

1115
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:31.400
audio dot com. Looks awesome. Go to Theology Central, do

1116
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.800
a search and when you get there, look for articles

1117
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.239
and I'll try to post the links and the articles

1118
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.679
as well. So there's lots of ways to find it

1119
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.480
and you can hear the rest of my sister's story.

1120
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:43.719
You'll have to listen to the rest of part one

1121
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:51.440
because then that ends. Oh boy, yeah, that's like so

1122
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.559
much of this. A lot of the bad things here

1123
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:55.920
are not really being described here.

1124
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:57.079
They're not there.

1125
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.719
But it goes this story or he just falls completely

1126
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:05.320
and utterly apart. But uh, and you can hear well

1127
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:13.400
then how it all turned out. So there you have it.

1128
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.159
My sister story.

1129
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.800
I was a part of it a little bit, but

1130
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.360
to be fair, I wasn't a part of it. Probably

1131
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.480
the way I should have my whole life. My whole

1132
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.000
life was falling apart, trying to figure out my life.

1133
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:25.480
And then finally, you know, I'm in the military, I

1134
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:27.760
move away. And it's not like at that time you

1135
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:29.559
could just pick up a cell phone and call someone

1136
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.239
or FaceTime someone or text someone. You'd have to call

1137
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.000
long distance, which costs lots of money if.

1138
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:35.480
You remember that.

1139
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.599
So there was there was, There was limited my connection.

1140
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:41.360
There was not much I could do at that time.

1141
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.760
There was not much I could do. So and then

1142
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.960
when I did show up again, I brought in my

1143
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.719
I brought in my independent, fundamental Baptist lordship kind of mindset,

1144
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.719
and I just basically threw her out off under the

1145
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:57.199
bus and said, you're not You're basically not a Christian.

1146
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:57.960
You're going to go to hell.

1147
01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:59.840
And I don't know what your problem is. And I

1148
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.880
was not very compassionate in any way, shape or form,

1149
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.840
So my Christianity was not of much assistance to her

1150
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:10.280
at this time. And uh, and then once she got

1151
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.440
so wrapped up into drugs, nobody knew what to do

1152
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.280
because if you, if you confronted her that she was

1153
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.800
drug she would get offended and she'd get mad and

1154
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:21.079
she'd get defensive and say, how dare you accuse me?

1155
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:22.639
I'm not doing anything?

1156
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.000
And then it just got bad, worse and worse and

1157
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:28.079
worse and worse and worse, and and then everything we

1158
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.119
tried to do it just everything. You couldn't do anything.

1159
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.840
Nobody knew what to do. Nobody, nobody knew what to do.

1160
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.199
And so then it was just you saw her life

1161
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:43.000
like you were living in these conditions. What what what?

1162
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.239
Nobody knew what to do, and nobody knew how to

1163
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.280
get into a confrontation with her. So it was it

1164
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.960
was bad. It was bad. And I don't know if

1165
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.559
the program even comes close to cat suring how bad

1166
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.840
it was. I could I could do ten parts on

1167
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.719
how bad it was. But there you have it. So

1168
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.559
Unshackled is the radio program My Sister's Story has aired,

1169
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.239
and I'll post the links to it if you want

1170
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:10.639
to hear the rest of it. And for some of you,

1171
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:13.119
you may be able one to relate to her story. Two,

1172
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.760
you may have family members who are living out her story.

1173
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:21.320
And hopefully somewhere in the story you'll find some sense

1174
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.960
of hope because it is the story of my sister

1175
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.039
whose name is Hope. All right, thanks for listening. Everyone,

1176
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:35.880
have a great day. Just remember every person you meet

1177
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.119
there's a story. Knowing that story, learning that story, and

1178
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.800
hearing that story gives you a better understanding of the

1179
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.480
person you're talking to.

1180
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.159
Thanks for listening, and God bless